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Offline bige

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weisco blues
« on: December 30, 2011, 10:22:07 AM »
well im so upset with weisco right now i hate life. well not that bad. i cut a window in my weisco piston and chamfered the bottom skirts, only i dont have a set of rings for it, i measured weisco rings and got a crazy .069, should be .014. i called weisco and they acted all suprised, so i ordered another set from marshall and they are the same gap. i called weisco again they said they would check and measure to then send me the corrrect ones. we verified the piston and rings package part numbers are correct. so why do i get rings to small twice in a row? i put in my old oem ring and measured .014 so i know its weisco ring problem. if it werent for wanting to try my window piston so bad i would just put the oem piston back in. this makes three weeks of this crap. i have never had this problem with weisco before, i do a fresh top end ever year using weisco piston kit. im missing out on so many rides now,all i can do is look at my bike tore down and wonder if i can ever get her back together again.  thanks for all the agravation WEISCO. anybody had this issue?

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Re: weisco blues
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2011, 11:35:02 AM »
yep. read my motor build thread..

more issues than just rings

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Re: weisco blues
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2012, 01:53:26 AM »
you're not alone.Wossner seem better, but the piston to cyl gap they advise is a touch optimistic.K.
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Re: weisco blues
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2012, 07:24:19 AM »
Are you guys having this problem with the stock 86mm set-up?.I'm in the process of getting all new bearings/seals,complete crank,brand new cylinder,etc,etc...for my 95 KX5.Reading all the problems with wiseco sucks.My question is....is anyone having these same problems with ring gap on the next sizes up....86.5mm,87mm and so on.I would have no problem sending out my new jug to get reamed out to another size and replated,IF these problems are non-exsistant with the larger sizes.It all makes me sick to my stomach knowing I've already spent $1500 in parts(and I'm sure that # will climb),and not having ANY confidence in Wiseco.  

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Re: weisco blues
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2012, 07:40:41 AM »
I run Wiesco exclusively (with the exception of the 91mm Wossner), I have never experienced the issues described by most, maybe I've been fortunate. as far as Wiseco goes I would bet that the majority of aftermarket pistons ran on this site are Wiesco. I will say wiescos are not the same as they used to be, but I still run them with great success, and wouldn't be afraid to run them. most of the issues I recall were with the rings.
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Re: weisco blues
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2012, 03:58:41 PM »
Motorrad had more trouble than just rings. If I remember right the ring groove was cut screwy & twisted the rings so it never would seal up. I've not had much confidence in them since they started cutting corners, about 3-4 years ago, trying to eliminate machining steps, like not cutting the piston side reliefs at all or the lightening area above the pin. & that was just what you could see visually. This was on the cr500 pistons though.
The 90mm wossner I got on the other hand was machined inside & out , literally, weighed like 3 grams more than an OEM piston, & had the rings that capture the alignment pins. I like it, have to see how it last's but, so far so good     
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Re: weisco blues
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2012, 12:33:15 AM »
25+ years, and countless top end replacements using OEM cast replacement pistons. Not one single failure.  Another negitive story that re-affirms my dislike for anything other than OEM. 
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Re: weisco blues
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2012, 12:49:19 AM »
plus 1 on that.

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Re: weisco blues
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2012, 03:36:09 AM »
My experience with Wiseco has been perfect with no problems.
I have purchased 2 std K5 pistons for my 2K 5K and my 04 5K in the last year with no problems.
I have also purchased 4 other pistons for my employees bikes, Kawasaki 2K kx250, Kawasaki 98 kx250, Kawasaki 01 kx250, Suzuki 03 RM250.
While my experience is limited it does show that Wiseco can do somethings right  :lol:
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Offline Polar-Bus

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Re: weisco blues
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2012, 08:05:15 AM »

While my experience is limited it does show that Wiseco can do somethings right  :lol:

Not according to post #1 .   :-D
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Re: weisco blues
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2012, 08:59:05 AM »
There is absolutely nothing wrong with using the OEM cast piston on the KX500. Like Polar-Bus, I have done a ton of top ends using the OEM piston without a single problem. The true test is that I raced on the same OEM piston for several seasons on one of my 250s. Sure, a forged piston is less likey to cause as much damage upon failiure, but if the cast piston is prone to breaking in your engine, you're likely to have other issues.

When Team Green desert raced the KX500, the stock OEM piston was used quite often. I realize that most people on this site are always going to try and seek more power, but there is a reason why so many pros who raced the KX500 kept the engine basically stock. You got to give the engineers credit who designed the motor (maybe I'm impartial because I'm an engineer!), because one of their major goals was realiabilty. Most heavily modified KX500 motors will never take the ruthless abuse of desert racing because they will either overheat, or simply not last that long. Yet, tons of "backyard" mechanics will insist that their mods aren't affecting realiability and only adding power. Their bikes will never be put to the test to prove this.

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Re: weisco blues
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2012, 11:33:57 AM »
well after 3 weeks wiseco finally sent me the correct rings and they measure .013" so finally this weekend i can get her back together. this is proof there was a problem with the rings themselves or got put in wrong packages, its possible they were over size rings. any way this should of never happened . just think if i installed them with out checking the gap first,it would of ruined my fresh replated cylinder. wonder if any body else has lost thier top end cause of this.like i say this is the first time ever to have a ring issue.

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Re: weisco blues
« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2012, 02:58:45 AM »
There is absolutely nothing wrong with using the OEM cast piston on the KX500. Like Polar-Bus, I have done a ton of top ends using the OEM piston without a single problem. The true test is that I raced on the same OEM piston for several seasons on one of my 250s. Sure, a forged piston is less likey to cause as much damage upon failiure, but if the cast piston is prone to breaking in your engine, you're likely to have other issues.

When Team Green desert raced the KX500, the stock OEM piston was used quite often. I realize that most people on this site are always going to try and seek more power, but there is a reason why so many pros who raced the KX500 kept the engine basically stock. You got to give the engineers credit who designed the motor (maybe I'm impartial because I'm an engineer!), because one of their major goals was realiabilty. Most heavily modified KX500 motors will never take the ruthless abuse of desert racing because they will either overheat, or simply not last that long. Yet, tons of "backyard" mechanics will insist that their mods aren't affecting realiability and only adding power. Their bikes will never be put to the test to prove this.

Very Very True...   I never had a problem with the cast piston in any of my bikes... (most of them have cast in them)

But.. when it comes to racing, and abusing motors,  it also helps when you are sponsored.. and have the option of putting in a new top end every race...

My setup see's alot of desert racing... and Bombing through the canyons with the sumo setup in between..   which I think the sumo stufff is TONS harder on the bike than desert race....

Wiseco has bit me good on that last piston of mine.

#1  rings were at .020 ish gap...
#2  Wrist pin clip grooves were machined .040" too close (going off memory)
#3  ring land machined wrong...


I still wont stray from forged though..

wossener here I come
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Offline alward25

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Re: weisco blues
« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2012, 03:51:37 AM »
I think I am am going to window a wossner and run it with the titanium pin.  Should lighten up a few things.



There is absolutely nothing wrong with using the OEM cast piston on the KX500. Like Polar-Bus, I have done a ton of top ends using the OEM piston without a single problem. The true test is that I raced on the same OEM piston for several seasons on one of my 250s. Sure, a forged piston is less likey to cause as much damage upon failiure, but if the cast piston is prone to breaking in your engine, you're likely to have other issues.

When Team Green desert raced the KX500, the stock OEM piston was used quite often. I realize that most people on this site are always going to try and seek more power, but there is a reason why so many pros who raced the KX500 kept the engine basically stock. You got to give the engineers credit who designed the motor (maybe I'm impartial because I'm an engineer!), because one of their major goals was realiabilty. Most heavily modified KX500 motors will never take the ruthless abuse of desert racing because they will either overheat, or simply not last that long. Yet, tons of "backyard" mechanics will insist that their mods aren't affecting realiability and only adding power. Their bikes will never be put to the test to prove this.

Very Very True...   I never had a problem with the cast piston in any of my bikes... (most of them have cast in them)

But.. when it comes to racing, and abusing motors,  it also helps when you are sponsored.. and have the option of putting in a new top end every race...

My setup see's alot of desert racing... and Bombing through the canyons with the sumo setup in between..   which I think the sumo stufff is TONS harder on the bike than desert race....

Wiseco has bit me good on that last piston of mine.

#1  rings were at .020 ish gap...
#2  Wrist pin clip grooves were machined .040" too close (going off memory)
#3  ring land machined wrong...


I still wont stray from forged though..

wossener here I come
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Re: weisco blues
« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2012, 04:59:37 AM »
I think I am am going to window a wossner and run it with the titanium pin.  Should lighten up a few things.




 I don't think a titanium pin will work with a needle bearing, even with a hard surface coating.