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Offline kxpegger

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Re: My 2009 KX500AF (Work in Progress) [picture heavy]
« Reply #15 on: August 21, 2016, 09:26:01 AM »
Nice work! Will be watching this thread!
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Re: My 2009 KX500AF (Work in Progress) [picture heavy]
« Reply #16 on: August 21, 2016, 09:40:05 AM »
Nice work! Will be watching this thread!

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absolutely...
love all the pics you took too, throughout each step.
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Re: My 2009 KX500AF (Work in Progress) [picture heavy]
« Reply #17 on: August 21, 2016, 11:06:33 AM »
Where in Florida?
Lehigh Acres, FL - it's outside the Ft. Myers area.

Nice work! Will be watching this thread!
Thanks! I believe it was actually your post that inspired the 2003 kx250 airboot. I saw where you said that the 2000 cr250 boot liked to rub on the shock spring on your SH.

Nice work! Will be watching this thread!

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absolutely...
love all the pics you took too, throughout each step.
Thanks for the feedback, I appreciate it. More pics to come for sure!


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Re: My 2009 KX500AF (Work in Progress) [picture heavy]
« Reply #18 on: August 21, 2016, 12:53:43 PM »
Great looking build FL_Sharpshooter!  Please keep the pictures coming. 

I also got my Lectron from Packard Racing and had the same issues you are having with the cable and new throttle.  I eventually made mine work with some redneck engineering, but it's nice to know that you can buy the stuff from Lectron. Thank you for posting your experience.
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Re: My 2009 KX500AF (Work in Progress) [picture heavy]
« Reply #19 on: August 21, 2016, 01:44:34 PM »
Where in Florida?
Lehigh Acres, FL - it's outside the Ft. Myers area.

Nice work! Will be watching this thread!
Thanks! I believe it was actually your post that inspired the 2003 kx250 airboot. I saw where you said that the 2000 cr250 boot liked to rub on the shock spring on your SH.

It was the air boot to air box flange bolt that rubs the shock housing near the top. SH knew it was a clearance problem because they had shaved it down to almost nothing. About every year or two I put some JB weld on the rub spot on the shock housing and some RTV on the bolt. Problem solved but I have to stay on top of it. I don't think you will have the same problem with the KX boot mod vs the CR250.
Nice work! Will be watching this thread!

+1
absolutely...
love all the pics you took too, throughout each step.
Thanks for the feedback, I appreciate it. More pics to come for sure!


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Re: My 2009 KX500AF (Work in Progress) [picture heavy]
« Reply #20 on: August 21, 2016, 01:46:07 PM »
It was the air boot to air box flange bolt that rubs the shock housing near the top. SH knew it was a clearance problem because they had shaved it down to almost nothing. About every year or two I put some JB weld on the rub spot on the shock housing and some RTV on the bolt. Problem solved but I have to stay on top of it. I don't think you will have the same problem with the KX boot mod vs the CR250
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Re: My 2009 KX500AF (Work in Progress) [picture heavy]
« Reply #21 on: August 21, 2016, 02:10:03 PM »
Great looking build FL_Sharpshooter!  Please keep the pictures coming. 

I also got my Lectron from Packard Racing and had the same issues you are having with the cable and new throttle.  I eventually made mine work with some redneck engineering, but it's nice to know that you can buy the stuff from Lectron. Thank you for posting your experience.

Thanks for the encouragement. You've built a really nice conversion as well. I'll definitely be boiling my new intake boot to the Lectron as you showed in your build thread, thanks for the idea. I saw the problem with your throttle, looks like you came up with a reasonably good solution, nice job. I have noticed that you as well as some others are using the kx250 throttle with your 500. Is there really that big a difference in throttle feel to justify me buying a whole new assembly? Just curious...

It was the air boot to air box flange bolt that rubs the shock housing near the top. SH knew it was a clearance problem because they had shaved it down to almost nothing. About every year or two I put some JB weld on the rub spot on the shock housing and some RTV on the bolt. Problem solved but I have to stay on top of it. I don't think you will have the same problem with the KX boot mod vs the CR250

Ah, I see now. I don't think that will be an issue at all with the kx250 boot. Well, I guess SH (or any manufacturer for that matter) can't possibly think of everything. Good idea with the jb weld and rtv, you gotta do what you gotta do sometimes. Have you thought about fitting a different boot? Might save you some frustration and future work.

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Re: My 2009 KX500AF (Work in Progress) [picture heavy]
« Reply #22 on: August 21, 2016, 02:57:09 PM »
Great looking build FL_Sharpshooter!  Please keep the pictures coming. 

I also got my Lectron from Packard Racing and had the same issues you are having with the cable and new throttle.  I eventually made mine work with some redneck engineering, but it's nice to know that you can buy the stuff from Lectron. Thank you for posting your experience.

Thanks for the encouragement. You've built a really nice conversion as well. I'll definitely be boiling my new intake boot to the Lectron as you showed in your build thread, thanks for the idea. I saw the problem with your throttle, looks like you came up with a reasonably good solution, nice job. I have noticed that you as well as some others are using the kx250 throttle with your 500. Is there really that big a difference in throttle feel to justify me buying a whole new assembly? Just curious...

It was the air boot to air box flange bolt that rubs the shock housing near the top. SH knew it was a clearance problem because they had shaved it down to almost nothing. About every year or two I put some JB weld on the rub spot on the shock housing and some RTV on the bolt. Problem solved but I have to stay on top of it. I don't think you will have the same problem with the KX boot mod vs the CR250

Ah, I see now. I don't think that will be an issue at all with the kx250 boot. Well, I guess SH (or any manufacturer for that matter) can't possibly think of everything. Good idea with the jb weld and rtv, you gotta do what you gotta do sometimes. Have you thought about fitting a different boot? Might save you some frustration and future work.
Thank you for the compliment on my bike.  It's been a lot of fun to work on for sure.  Of course I couldn't have done it without the help I've received from the guys on this site.

I used the KX 250 throttle mostly because it's what I had.  I've been happy with the throttle action though. I've never actually ridden a later model stock 500 (my last ride was on an 84 air cooled), so maybe one of the other guys can comment on why to switch to the 250 throttle.

I can't wait to see your ride videos.  It should be a very nice ride when you get it done.
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Re: My 2009 KX500AF (Work in Progress) [picture heavy]
« Reply #23 on: August 21, 2016, 03:14:14 PM »


I have but then I'm lazy! Would just rather put a band aid on it and ride so long as it works... not recommending that though!
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Re: My 2009 KX500AF (Work in Progress) [picture heavy]
« Reply #24 on: August 22, 2016, 01:43:38 AM »
Great looking build FL_Sharpshooter!  Please keep the pictures coming. 

I also got my Lectron from Packard Racing and had the same issues you are having with the cable and new throttle.  I eventually made mine work with some redneck engineering, but it's nice to know that you can buy the stuff from Lectron. Thank you for posting your experience.

Thanks for the encouragement. You've built a really nice conversion as well. I'll definitely be boiling my new intake boot to the Lectron as you showed in your build thread, thanks for the idea. I saw the problem with your throttle, looks like you came up with a reasonably good solution, nice job. I have noticed that you as well as some others are using the kx250 throttle with your 500. Is there really that big a difference in throttle feel to justify me buying a whole new assembly? Just curious...

It was the air boot to air box flange bolt that rubs the shock housing near the top. SH knew it was a clearance problem because they had shaved it down to almost nothing. About every year or two I put some JB weld on the rub spot on the shock housing and some RTV on the bolt. Problem solved but I have to stay on top of it. I don't think you will have the same problem with the KX boot mod vs the CR250

Ah, I see now. I don't think that will be an issue at all with the kx250 boot. Well, I guess SH (or any manufacturer for that matter) can't possibly think of everything. Good idea with the jb weld and rtv, you gotta do what you gotta do sometimes. Have you thought about fitting a different boot? Might save you some frustration and future work.
Thank you for the compliment on my bike.  It's been a lot of fun to work on for sure.  Of course I couldn't have done it without the help I've received from the guys on this site.

I used the KX 250 throttle mostly because it's what I had.  I've been happy with the throttle action though. I've never actually ridden a later model stock 500 (my last ride was on an 84 air cooled), so maybe one of the other guys can comment on why to switch to the 250 throttle.

I can't wait to see your ride videos.  It should be a very nice ride when you get it done.

I see, I was thought maybe there was a specific reason for you using the kx250 throttle. I should be fine with the stock 500 throttle. I remember riding the bike in stock form, I don't recall the throttle being an issue. Thanks for the compliment! I would say I'm about a month or two from it being done/up and running, possibly even sooner.



I have but then I'm lazy! Would just rather put a band aid on it and ride so long as it works... not recommending that though!

Well, there's nothing wrong with that!  :-D

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Re: My 2009 KX500AF (Work in Progress) [picture heavy]
« Reply #25 on: August 22, 2016, 06:18:55 AM »
Since we are on the subject of throttles, I want to revisit this problem. I decided to do a comparison between three different cables as well as the different throttle assemblies. I will be comparing the cable I got from Packard (sorry don't know what brand), the OEM kawasaki kx500 cable, and the Motion Pro Vortex Lectron cable. The two throttle assemblies I will be comparing are the OEM (2000 KX500) throttle assembly as well as the Packard Magura Duo 314 throttle assembly. I mainly want to do this comparison as a way to possibly help others that may be considering a Lectron carburetor. No one has really discussed the issue much, so I hope to help others out. Here are my thoughts and findings.

This first picture shows all three cables side-by-side. I was not able to get a picture of the cables showing the throttle side end. You'll just have to take my word when I say that I paired them next to each other evenly. The Packard cable is pictured at the very top, the OEM cable is in the center, and the last one is the motion pro vortex Lectron cable.

Looking at this picture, you'll see that both the aftermarket cables are longer than the OEM Cable. The Packard cable is a whopping 5 3/4" longer than the oem cable, that's quite the difference - I couldn't find a good routing solution for it. I also noted that it doesn't have a threaded end that goes into the carburetor top, nor does it have a threaded end that goes into the throttle housing. The non-threaded ends make me leery of using this cable because it would be fairly easy for each end to pop out. Of course, you could always fix this by wire-tying both ends. Next up, you'll notice that the Motion Pro cable is approximately 2 1/4" longer than the OEM cable, not enough to cause routing problems. This cable has threaded ends on both sides of the cable (into the carburetor, as well as into the throttle housing). I would have no problem using this cable. Lastly, we have the OEM throttle cable. This cable is 2 1/4" shorter than the motion pro cable, and 5 3/4" shorter than the Packard cable! I had no issues with routing this cable - sure, it could've been an inch or two longer - that would've been nice. I'll leave you to come up with your own conclusion on this one.

As our last comparison, I want to show the difference between the OEM throttle (2000 KX500) and Packard's Magura Duo 314. Here is a picture of the two assemblies side-by-side. The one on the right is the Magura, the one on the left with the white throttle tube is the OEM throttle assembly (it does have a motion pro throttle tube).



Take notice of how the two assemblies are shaped differently. The magura is completely round, while the oem throttle has a more square cutout on the back. I could not get the magura to work with my build. No matter which way I positioned the assembly, it just kept interfering with the front brake lever. This was due to the round shape on the back of the throttle. The oem throttle fits great, I have no issues with it. As a final note, the Magura housing is plastic, while the OEM assembly is metal.

Let's a look inside each throttle. The throttle on the right is the OEM, the throttle on the left is the Magura.

Both assemblies are very different. I like the fact that the Magura has a throttle reel design (very similar to a kx250 throttle). The OEM kx500 throttle has more of a basic design. I would assume that the Magura throttle would be smoother feeling based on the reel design.

Here's a deeper look at where the cable comes in to the Magura throttle housing.

Take notice that there aren't any threads for where a cable can screw into the housing. This assembly was obviously made to not accept a threaded throttle cable. This is a concern because the only thing that holds the cable in is the brass/metal fitting (in the case of the Packard cable - which is the only cable that will fit). It simply creates a slip-fit. Yes, I know the end of the cable is held by the throttle tube. Still, you can quite easily pull the cable right out of the throttle housing. Remember the throttle problems with the 12-13 KTM 2 strokes? This is a real concern because something could catch the cable (ie. a stick or tree branch, etc) and pull the cable, causing a whisky throttle. This could be fixed by wire-tying the throttle cable sheathing to the housing piece where the cable joins. Then slip the weather seal over it, problem solved and you won't even see the wire tie.

Here's a deeper look at where the cable comes in to the OEM throttle housing.

I really like how the throttle housing is threaded where the cable comes in. Only thing I like better about the Magura is the throttle reel, possibly smoother throttle? With it being threaded, no chance of the cable snagging.

Let's look at the Magura's throttle cap/top piece.

You can see by the yellow arrows how the cutout on the top further prevents the cable from jumping out of the throttle reel. Very nice design.

Let's look at the OEM throttle cap/top piece.

You can see by the yellow arrows how the top piece has a scalloped stop for the throttle end. I think its safe to say that it's a very safe design, I don't think there's any chance of the cable coming out. Also a very nice design.

That's it for now, hopefully everyone else finds this as interesting as I did.
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Re: My 2009 KX500AF (Work in Progress) [picture heavy]
« Reply #26 on: August 22, 2016, 07:02:56 AM »
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Re: My 2009 KX500AF (Work in Progress) [picture heavy]
« Reply #27 on: August 22, 2016, 07:09:07 AM »
Hope this will help:

http://www.kxriders.com/forums/index.php/topic,5764.0.html

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Forgot to comment on this. As a matter of fact, I called Motion Pro asking about this. He said they didn't have any kind of file on that.

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Re: My 2009 KX500AF (Work in Progress) [picture heavy]
« Reply #28 on: August 22, 2016, 08:16:42 AM »
Hope this will help:

http://www.kxriders.com/forums/index.php/topic,5764.0.html

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Forgot to comment on this. As a matter of fact, I called Motion Pro asking about this. He said they didn't have any kind of file on that.

My SH uses a Honda CR250 tube and cable:

Honda P/N's:

Cable - 17910-KZ3-J41
Grip throttle (includes cable cam) - 53140-KZ4-J31
Cable Housing "A" - 53167-KZ4-J00
Cable Housing "B" - 53168-KZ4-J00
Cable Pulley - 53169-KZ4-J00
Cable Pulley spacer (bushing) - 53163-MAC-670
Cable Pulley Screw - 93700-040200A
Cable Housing Bolts - 96001-06022-00
Cable Housing Rubber Cover - 53164-MAC-680

Fits on my 2008 chassis perfect! Not to long and not to short! Hope this helps!
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Re: My 2009 KX500AF (Work in Progress) [picture heavy]
« Reply #29 on: September 03, 2016, 01:34:54 PM »
Hope this will help:

http://www.kxriders.com/forums/index.php/topic,5764.0.html

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Forgot to comment on this. As a matter of fact, I called Motion Pro asking about this. He said they didn't have any kind of file on that.

My SH uses a Honda CR250 tube and cable:

Honda P/N's:

Cable - 17910-KZ3-J41
Grip throttle (includes cable cam) - 53140-KZ4-J31
Cable Housing "A" - 53167-KZ4-J00
Cable Housing "B" - 53168-KZ4-J00
Cable Pulley - 53169-KZ4-J00
Cable Pulley spacer (bushing) - 53163-MAC-670
Cable Pulley Screw - 93700-040200A
Cable Housing Bolts - 96001-06022-00
Cable Housing Rubber Cover - 53164-MAC-680

Fits on my 2008 chassis perfect! Not to long and not to short! Hope this helps!

Thanks. I think I'm just going to stick with the OEM kx500 throttle, seemed to be just fine when I rode it last time. Interesting that SH chooses to use the cr250 throttle, can't say I'm too surprised though.

Some big news coming soon - we're almost done with this thing. I just put in a huge OEM part order of 243 parts  :-o (man, I feel sorry to whoever has to pick all that out). Also got some Kite/Excel A60 wheels being made and other bling parts  :-D. Cylinder is off at Powerseal USA and Larry is hopefully finishing his awesome compression release mod. We're at the point now of just waiting on parts to come in so that we can start rebuilding the engine. Stay tuned, great things to come!  :-D