timbowe, your not a short guy are ya? If so, not meant to offend you. This guy was a an obnoxiuos man and my background is karate, aikido, hapkido and a small amount of kickboxing . not that i can fight but he kinda pushed my buttons enough to want to try. Was just angry and try ing to vent. Thank you guys for your support. The kirby salesman is on his way. Thanks cultivator!