I might add, I'm gonna use the heat freeze method, was just wondering whether we'd missed this possibility, as it may help those of our demographic (see wot I did there?) that are newer to this stroker game thats all, as your first time is never memorable for the right reasons, lots of fumbling, trying to get the thing in the hole, knees trembling,wondering whether you're doing it right....And then there's the engine to build....K.