its not that painful alan but got airlifted to hospital by chopper, i have never had knee guards but the are on the way now, had usal gear bodyarmour and riding gear. body armour is toast. have a nice handel bar line across my chest. the bike took it well just pulled one rubber mount on the handle bar mounts. had a mate crash next race on her 09 kxf very similar and it snapped sub frame smashed all the left hand side plastics; cant beat the k5 for been one tough bike. cheers.