KX Riders
General => In General... => Topic started by: USMC 500 on August 07, 2016, 02:19:27 PM
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(http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4459)
Hey fellow KX fanatics!! I along with Sandblaster have been tasked with building Sean's new KX500. Parts are already being created and phone calls are already being made. We have big plans for this bad boy as well as the current KX500. Read the written summary in the link and you'll understand what is being done. I only ask one favor.......I have already gotten tons of positive feedback on this but I have also gotten 1 very unprovoked negative PUBLIC comment on social media. I ask that if you don't share the same view as I do that is fine, but please no negative comments. BRAAAAAAP!!
https://www.gofundme.com/2gujge8k
Brought to you by...
KX Guru Racing
Oscar Cota Project Manager
Jason Tanner (JT Engine Works) Engine and Chassis build Specialist.
Alex Ward (Crazy Al's Racing) Engine and Chassis build Specialist.
Mike Collier Team Liaison
Sean Collier Test Pilot
David Olsen Research & Development Engineer
Adam Millar (Millar Racing Engines) Technical Advisor
Mike Weir General Manager
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There is a lot happening behind the scenes..
Oscar just touched on a few key points.
We are going to build Sean the best bike we can with what money, time, and materials allow.
If you have something special that you want to donate, please let us know.
And... I want to thank all of you that helped make this kind of build possible.
I could not possibly name them all here... Nor could I list all the different aspects of your help... But here is just a few... And in no specific order... :lol:
Motorrad
Oscar (USMC 500)
Adam Millar (RoostiusMaximus)
Alex Ward
Larry Wiechman
Doldguy
Pmcg
Brute
GREENKAW24
motopunk
Foxx4Beaver
don46
And too many others... Thanks guys... Without this site, and all your contributions, this would never have happened..
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I remember Motorrad making a comment on the spiffy washers that were on Destry's new bike a while back...
I found these a couple months ago...they appear to be very similar to the ones that were on Destrys bike...they might look good...
http://outlawracingproducts.com/ourafawawico.html
(http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/yhst-60952341632342/t-p.gif)
and e-bay...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/4pcs-Billet-Anodized-Factory-Washers-W-Collar-Countersunk-Motorcycle-ATV-Red-/201518449829?hash=item2eeb6f84a5:g:2dcAAOSwG-1Wzf7m&vxp=mtr
(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/AU4AAOSwWTRWzf7l/s-l400.jpg)
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Oh yes... those washers would look very nice...
Here is verifying the fitment of a aftermarket brake lever.
I believe we will be using Hammerhead when the build is actually done..
(http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4365)
Oh yes... it's time to get some progress going...
Thanks for the donor swing arm Pmcg. 8-) 8-)
(http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4367)
(http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4370)
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As you are very well aware, your .02 is why this happened in the first place...
Remember all the seemingly pointless questions I bombed you with for about two years straight? :lol:
So here we are... putting all your mods to work... :wink: 8-)
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. I was going to go donate my $0.02. Which is worth a pile of beans, so I'm told... But $5 is the minimum... I'm not that smart.
Why have you not called me to tell me about your new place? Why have you not called me period? What kind of Groomsman are you? :-D
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Something good showed up today...
(http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4374)
That's not gonna work :-o
(http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4376)
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Stock... That isn't gonna work...
(http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4377)
(http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4378)
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Is that out of his current bike or is it another one?
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And you know... This build would not be complete without one of these..
(http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4381)
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Is that out of his current bike or is it another one?
No, this is a different motor..
The one in his current bike was worked on by Frenchie...
At some point I should be getting my greasy mitts on it as well..
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Sounds like fun. When does he need them back?
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Sounds like fun. When does he need them back?
Classified Top Secret to the highest extent. :-D
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That makes it more exciting. Fun motor builds and Top Secret stuff. :-D
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Of course for our KX Riders Family we will provide little teasers and discrete hints here are there 8-)
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So far... So good...
(http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4382)
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:-D
The team is complete....there goes the neighborhood!!
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I'm pretty pumped about this build. If you need a test rider low on skill and high on enthusiasm I'm your man.
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I am honored to be included in that group! Whatever I did to help I am glad I could contribute! It will be fun to watch the build as it goes. And 'Go!' I am sure it will... :evil:
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We will be needing a lot of video of these two motors in action. I want to hear one of the gurus' max motors being ridden by a pro. Should be fun to hear and watch.
I guess you will be building two motors and one bike as well?
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Right now... One bike and one engine...
However, there is already rumblings of a second motor...
He needs to have duplicate engines for the practice bike as well as the race bike :lol:
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I will be testing with Sean this weekend. He will be riding His KX500 by Frenchie, My KX500 by Motorrad and Mohave's KX500 by Sandblaster.......going to get a feel for the type of power he is looking for. We are even going to have him ride my CR500AF just so he can comment on the different engine characteristics. Should be fun :-D
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I will be testing with Sean this weekend. He will be riding His KX500 by Frenchie, My KX500 by Motorrad and Mohave's KX500 by Sandblaster.......going to get a feel for the type of power he is looking for. We are even going to have him ride my CR500AF just so he can comment on the different engine characteristics. Should be fun :-D
Any chance you could video some of it? :-D
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I will be testing with Sean this weekend. He will be riding His KX500 by Frenchie, My KX500 by Motorrad and Mohave's KX500 by Sandblaster.......going to get a feel for the type of power he is looking for. We are even going to have him ride my CR500AF just so he can comment on the different engine characteristics. Should be fun :-D
Any chance you could video some of it? :-D
I am strapping my Go Pro on Sean's helmet for on board data on all the bikes and I will be doing video of his verbal analysis after each ride. So there will be lots of footage shot for data purposes. I will try to put together a video of the entire day for viewing enjoyment. In the mean time I leave you all with this photo of this awesome machine and Sean's KX500.......... :-D
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/13592390_10209764397530654_3498378814370423560_n_zpsg3uewspe.jpg) (http://s1092.photobucket.com/user/USMC500/media/13592390_10209764397530654_3498378814370423560_n_zpsg3uewspe.jpg.html)
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no pic on my computer showing up Marine. But, where is the dang like button :-D
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no pic on my computer showing up Marine. But, where is the dang like button :-D
How about now? lol
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Inspection time!!!
Jason Tanner (JT Engine Works) Engine and Chassis build Specialist.
(http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4401)
This is probably the nicest used trans from a KX500 that I have seen in the recent past but leave it to Jason to find some gears that just aren't up to his standards.
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Oscar, Did it hurt riding with an erection?
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Oscar, Did it hurt riding with an erection?
Only when the KIPS kicked in!! :-o
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What a cool project! What kind of time frame are you guys working with?
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The sooner the better but realistically I think we are out 2-3 months...
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Today Jason tested the Stator for resistance...
(http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4408)
Unfortunately it didn't pass :-(
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Today Jason tested the Stator for resistance...
Unfortunately it didn't pass :-(
hmmmm.....MZB upgrade??.... :mrgreen:
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We will know more after this weekend :-D
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Yep... It's a bit haggard but a little welding, sanding, filling, more sanding, primer, paint, decals, bearings, and seals, will have it looking great again.
(http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4415)
(http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4417)
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Yep... It's a bit haggard
(http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4415)
that's not bad at all....I don't remember if it's on this site, or another one, someone had a pic of the same spot, sawed right through to the sleeve....big ole hole! :lol:
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Yep... It's a bit haggard but a little welding, sanding, filling, more sanding, primer, paint, decals, bearings, and seals, will have it looking great again.
(http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4415)
(http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4417)
I didn't even notice that. Sorry.
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I didn't even notice that. Sorry.
Are you kidding? This was perfect for our needs.
Everything you see will come out looking marvelous...
And thank you again for donating it.
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I made a bit more progress today.
Machined the slots out to 25mm and assembled with a complete KX450F rear wheel, axle, spacers, ect..
(http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4423)
Now I need to make the hanger for the brake mount..
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Are you doing the dual piston caliper?
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Nope... I hooked it all up and it was not better then stock.
To make it better I would need a better master cylinder and it was heavier then the KX500 setup which is heavier then the KX450F setup.
So, I am using a 06-15 KX450F rear brake.
Sean already has a newer master cylinder on his bike so that should be ok.
And ask Oscar or Mojave... Sean is hard on a rear brake..
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Today Jason tested the Stator for resistance...
(http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4408)
Unfortunately it didn't pass :-(
That stator coil looks far bigger {more wire ] than a stock stator ,maybe thats the reason the reading is high?
i got a reading of 290 from a larger stator coil before
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Who knows... We are replacing it for good measure :lol:
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I've had more then a few that were in spec but then again I've probably had 30 or more at one time or another.
More often then not they are out of spec :|
The one thing that surprised me was new factory parts, gears, shift forks, shift drum ect that were not in New spec...
Sure, they were still under the service limit but come on... New parts not in new spec???
I know you ran into that a time or two motorrad...
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Nope... I hooked it all up and it was not better then stock.
To make it better I would need a better master cylinder and it was heavier then the KX500 setup which is heavier then the KX450F setup.
So, I am using a 06-15 KX450F rear brake.
Sean already has a newer master cylinder on his bike so that should be ok.
And ask Oscar or Mojave... Sean is hard on a rear brake..
I took Sean to LACR this past Saturday for a test. He brought his KX500, Mohave Greg brought his KX500 (Sandblaster built) and I brought my KX500 (Motorrad built) and CR500AF. Sean was able to test the 4 bikes back to back and give very valuable feedback on the characteristics of each one. We now have a VERY good idea of the motor that will be built for Sean.......Regarding the rear brake........Sean came in after 4 laps on Greg's bike with the rear tire locked up. We feared that the tranny had failed and locked up. What had actually happened was Sean heated the brake fluid so much that it built up tremendous pressure which locked up the rear brake. I took a wrench to the bleeder and when I took the rubber boot off it literally POP'ed off.......When I cracked the bleeder the rear caliper made a loud POP sound and the rear brake released. I know for a fact that Sean has cooked the rear brakes on the KX500 to the point that the pads would be bent in a "U" shape.......This is something that used to happed to the Ty Davis. We should have better luck with the KX450 rear system on the bike. Sean has told me that he uses the rear brake on the KX500 during a moto that it will completely fade by the 4th lap.......so he has learned to handicap himself by riding a complete race without a rear brake. Once we fit him with a better rear brake that he can use, his lap times and track performance should increase.
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Would something like this help dissipate some of that heat?
https://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/p/1193/41249/KTM-Rear-Brake-Reservoir-Extender
http://www.ziptyracing.com/brake-reservoirs/
I know its not a bolt on for the KX but maybe there is something out there compatible?
Tuck\o/
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Yup... Since the master cylinder is from a late model KX450f the reservoir extension will work nicely :-D
Thanks Tuck
(http://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/server4400/b0823/product_images/uploaded_images/znw-brake-reser.jpg)
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Even with the fluid heating up it should release through the little bleed hole in the master cylinder unless it is plugged or the piston is not pulling back enough to clear the bleed hole.
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Double checking alignment before weld...
(http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4434)
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Travis is gettin after it...
(http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4437)
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Nope... I hooked it all up and it was not better then stock.
To make it better I would need a better master cylinder and it was heavier then the KX500 setup which is heavier then the KX450F setup.
So, I am using a 06-15 KX450F rear brake.
Sean already has a newer master cylinder on his bike so that should be ok.
And ask Oscar or Mojave... Sean is hard on a rear brake..
I took Sean to LACR this past Saturday for a test. He brought his KX500, Mohave Greg brought his KX500 (Sandblaster built) and I brought my KX500 (Motorrad built) and CR500AF. Sean was able to test the 4 bikes back to back and give very valuable feedback on the characteristics of each one. We now have a VERY good idea of the motor that will be built for Sean.......Regarding the rear brake........Sean came in after 4 laps on Greg's bike with the rear tire locked up. We feared that the tranny had failed and locked up. What had actually happened was Sean heated the brake fluid so much that it built up tremendous pressure which locked up the rear brake. I took a wrench to the bleeder and when I took the rubber boot off it literally POP'ed off.......When I cracked the bleeder the rear caliper made a loud POP sound and the rear brake released. I know for a fact that Sean has cooked the rear brakes on the KX500 to the point that the pads would be bent in a "U" shape.......This is something that used to happed to the Ty Davis. We should have better luck with the KX450 rear system on the bike. Sean has told me that he uses the rear brake on the KX500 during a moto that it will completely fade by the 4th lap.......so he has learned to handicap himself by riding a complete race without a rear brake. Once we fit him with a better rear brake that he can use, his lap times and track performance should increase.
Which motor did he prefer? how did they differ?
how did the cr compare :-)
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Agreed, you're leaving us in suspense... :-D
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Just a hint...
The CR had the most low end but died into the mid range..
Motorrads engine came in second for low end to mid range.
Mine was dead last for low end :x
Mine was first for mid to top :-D
But that wasn't unexpected.
Sean want's a grunt engine..
Sean said that he could tell that my engine and Motorrads were very similar.
That's no surprise... :lol:
But here is the differences.
Motorrad's has the bottom of the exhaust port blended and mine doesn't.
Motorrad's has piston skirt mods and holes all over the place... Mine only has a few oil holes.
Mine has the Kips drum wall removed and the port walls blended, Motorrad's doesn't.
Motorrads was running a FMF Gnarly pipe which is a good low end pipe.
Mine is on a PC2 which is better for top end.
Motorrad's is using a VF2 with boot mods.
Mine is a stock reed block with After market petals.
Motorrad's and mine are both using stock carbs but Motorrad's has a new top secret stealth needle in it..
And remember, these differences aren't like WOW CRAZY differences... Just noticeable..
So we are going to give Sean something with a little more grunt. :-o
But you will have to stay tuned for the specifics.
Also,, Oscar has video and pics that we will be combining to make a youtube video with..
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a new top secret stealth needle
hmmmm....interesting.
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a new top secret stealth needle
hmmmm....interesting.
:-o :-D :-o
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Of course, this engine is getting all the cool internal port mods...
But it is also getting a bunch of the external casting flash removed :-o
(http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4442)
(http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4439)
(http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4438)
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Oscar has some video and pics of their riding/test session.
Hopefully we can get a mini movie with interview info up soon.
Hurry Oscar... Hurry....
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Very surprised. So what changes will you make to provide more low end grunt foe Sean?
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Very surprised. So what changes will you make to provide more low end grunt foe Sean?
We have a very good idea of the power that Sean want's for the new KX500 and there are a few methods to achieve this power. Discussion based on the analysis of the test video's still needs to take place in order to decide the best route to take on this build. We won't keep any secrets as the purpose of this build is to make the technology information available to all but for now I won't speculate until we decided on the final build specs
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Get those bikes on a dyno and collect some useful data.
Butt dyno data will have you running in circles; and behind the leaders!
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Need to do team green front motor mount mod! !
Yes... get me the measurement you want the cases at and I will make sure they are machined to perfection... Or close enough to work :lol:
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Oscar has some video and pics of their riding/test session.
Hopefully we can get a mini movie with interview info up soon.
Hurry Oscar... Hurry....
It's 3:33am Pacific Standard Time and I just finished the video I created from the GoPro footage, video footage and pictures taken on test day. It came out to be a 30 minute video. I didn't included the footage of the long post test discussion that Sean and I had at his house because it is too long. I will try to upload that interview separately very soon......Just have to get the stamp of approval from Sean (even though he will say "hell yeah dude") before I can post it.
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Sean didn't say that my motor had more bottom than his......He said that he liked the way my motor made power throughout the entire RPM range. He said that the Mid to Top felt better than Greg's motor but that may have been because of jetting and that my jetting was more spot on. I will send Motorrad and Sandblaster a flash drive with ALL the footage with Sean's verbal analysis and the go pro footage so you can hear all the engines operate on the track back to back. My motor is set up more for mid to top for desert and it is unknown what Sean's true engine set up is as the previous builder did not provide them with any details. For all we know my "desert" setup may be better than what the other builder did for him. We won't know how Sean's KX500 engine was built until we tear into it and analyze it. Sean's gearing and my gearing were the closest in the test as he was running 14/51 and I was running 13/45. More to follow.
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Just a little teaser for everyone!! Stay Tuned!!
https://youtu.be/U1m3jJgygC4 (https://youtu.be/U1m3jJgygC4)
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Getting the head ready for some M work..
(http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4458)
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Just a little teaser for everyone!! Stay Tuned!!
https://youtu.be/U1m3jJgygC4 (https://youtu.be/U1m3jJgygC4)
that's a beautiful track!
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(http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4459)
Nice Oscar.... It pretty much sums everything up 8-)
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(http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4459)
Nice Oscar.... It pretty much sums everything up 8-)
That came out nice.........d**n I'M GOOD!! :-D
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One of those special Collier silencers (in spark arrestor form) would sure look pretty on my scooter :-D.....You guys plan on hitting Cahuilla or Comp Edge?
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What are you guys doing to the clutch? Other than a basket? I just posted over at kxguru on the kx450f vs k5 basket. I'm in the exact same boat as you guys. I already run the hinson k5 basket but want to swap out the rest. Just wondering what's happening here?
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The clutch basket is in such good shape we probably won't do anything special... except perhaps some REM micro-polishing and Cryo of the gears and perhaps some polishing of the basket ears... Extended clutch arm... re-routed and straightened cable... At this point most of the build is up for discussion as very little has been finalized..
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One of those special Collier silencers (in spark arrestor form) would sure look pretty on my scooter :-D.....You guys plan on hitting Cahuilla or Comp Edge?
Comp Edge is definitely a possibility......Just don't know when....We try to hit up LACR because it our local track but a change of pace is always nice.
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I'll tell you what I did with my swing arm and it has proven itself to resist scratching as well it looks good. What I did was went and got some spray on truck bed liner( black). Taped off where I wanted to put stickers/ graphics and such. Then I put the bed liner on as I would have if I were painting something. Looks good and I should get some pics to send along. But no longer have to worry About scratches. I also taped off all spacer and bearing holes as well as where the chain tensioner and axle go. It's just an idea. If you don't give it s second thought, that's ok. But it looks and works great. as far as added weight of the stuff, I can't imagine it's too much. But the scuff and gouge resistant properties of it can't be beat. Keep the good work up
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(http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4474)
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Dat's purdy! :-D
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Yep... It's a bit haggard
(http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4415)
that's not bad at all....I don't remember if it's on this site, or another one, someone had a pic of the same spot, sawed right through to the sleeve....big ole hole! :lol:
Think it might be mine you where thinking of there Fox :-P
(http://i1347.photobucket.com/albums/p720/ecdeyzel/Kawasaki%20KX250%20Rebuild/10449092_742977229150648_608771157_n_zps7ewzz1ke.jpg)
I wasn't too happy when I saw that, but patched her up.
Ed
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Think it might be mine you where thinking of there Fox :-P
(http://i1347.photobucket.com/albums/p720/ecdeyzel/Kawasaki%20KX250%20Rebuild/10449092_742977229150648_608771157_n_zps7ewzz1ke.jpg)
I wasn't too happy when I saw that, but patched her up.
Ed
haha!....yeah it could've been yours Ed...that looks familiar. :wink:
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Push to bearings out... Clean it up.... Put a cleaned up old bearing or just the outer sleeve back in there and tig weld the aluminum up.
Press the old bearing or sleeve out...
Now your ready for new bearings and seals... 8-)
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(http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4493)
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that's gonna look "trick". :mrgreen:
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The only concern I have is that I may have removed too much material from the center section...
Since this is Rev 2..... I have already started Rev 3 8-)
But I fully intend to finish Rev 2 and let Sean destroy it...
Then he can slip on Rev 3 and really smile...
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Update:
We have been really busy with several aspects of this build.
It is amazing how much work goes into organizing who is doing what and shipping parts all over the place.
Vendors, sponsors, and builders.... it is really amazing...
Not only that but we have also been busy rebuilding Sean's current bike.
No details as of yet to release but don't worry, there is a full write up coming... 8-)
(http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4519)
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geeze....you're go'in all out on the fancy stuff!....I like it! :mrgreen:
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(http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4526)
(http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4528)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Eny8P0d09k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Eny8P0d09k)
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This is the way the heat sinks are suppose to be mounted..
(http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4531)
(http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4530)
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I think this would be a great place for more heat sinks...
(http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4536)
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This is my buddy Tommy Roberts. Tommy is my age and was 18 years old in 1996 when Kawasaki Team Green signed him to the factory contract and the KX500 that was supposed to be Danny Hamel's. Tommy and Danny were very close and I could think of nobody better to get that ride. Well Tommy came over today and hung out with me. Since Tommy was one of the fastest and best at changing BIB Moose tubes I gave him a little project. Thanks Tommy for mounting new rubber on Sean's bike for me.
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/8895_10201236150849817_1718229744_n_zpskje6ovqv.jpg) (http://s1092.photobucket.com/user/USMC500/media/8895_10201236150849817_1718229744_n_zpskje6ovqv.jpg.html)
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/Tommy%20Roberts_zpsfr296khs.jpg) (http://s1092.photobucket.com/user/USMC500/media/Tommy%20Roberts_zpsfr296khs.jpg.html)
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After lapping, Jason is making sure that there are no visible gaps in the cases...
These babies are flawless :mrgreen:
(http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4576)
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After lapping, Jason is making sure that there are no visible gaps in the cases...
These babies are flawless :mrgreen:
(http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4576)
not sure if it's my computer, but I'm not seeing the pic....just a tiny black square with an "x" inside it...like the link didn't take.
I can see every other pic in this thread, just not this one.
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That is weird... I see the one I posted as well as the one you quoted... hmmm...
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(http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4578)
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it could be my computer, it might be ready for "updates", I'll have to do a "re-start" before I go to bed...but...it is weird that I can see every other pic.
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(http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4588)
(http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4589)
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is that a brand new center valve?
I ask, cause I have a brand new spare, and the appearance matches with that one.
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is that a brand new center valve?
I ask, cause I have a brand new spare, and the appearance matches with that one.
Nope... Just really cleaned up 8-)
(http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4598)
(http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4599)
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Jason with the meat cleavers out hacking it up..
(http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4730)
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Almost ready for plating..
(http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4733)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Eny8P0d09k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Eny8P0d09k)
I saw you mention the write will be coming but can I ask questions anyway? about the rear caliper, did you weld tall cooling fins on and port the caliper? what do you expect from the devol cooler? think it will make a difference?
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Absolutely ask questions :lol:
I have two different calipers.
One has the welded cooling fins from a 94 ATK 406 and is ported.
The other is stock but will use the Devol cooler.
I can use the Devol cooler with the ported caliper but it sticks out to the side a bit and I would like to avoid it if I can.
I have a 4th revision if I need it but since the Devol cooler is suppose to reduce temps by 30% I hope I will not have to build it :-o
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Did a Google search and saw lots of examples of ported calipers. I like the idea of porting. you see any reason why a guy couldn't port all 3 calipers on his sport atv?
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The big issue I see is aluminum gets softer at fairly low temperatures which is why I believe most calipers are so thick.
Porting can help keep the brakes cooler but it also weakens them.
So how much is enough, or too much?
We will find the sweet spot on ours eventually :lol:
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WPC Treatment really came through for us on this build.
This engine should shift smoother and have less gear drag resulting in longer life parts and less HP being wasted in the gear box.
http://www.wpctreatment.com/ (http://www.wpctreatment.com/)
2909 Oregon Court, Unit C2
Torrance, CA 90503
Tel 1.310.782.8647
(http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4770)
(http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4771)
(http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4769)
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Pro Action hooked us up with parts to rebuild the KX450F forks 8-)
http://pro-action.com (http://pro-action.com)
3611 8TH AVENUE
BEAVER FALLS, PA 15010
PHONE: (724) 846-9055
(http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4772)
These are parts for the forks, Alex has the parts for the shock.
These valves and the springs were set for Sean's riding style... Incredible...
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Well.... We are waiting. I saw Seans 500 but had a lot of races going on Saturday so I never got a chance to get over there and by the time I did late Saturday it seemed like everyone was gone already. I saw him start our 2 stroke race but I did not see him finish, how did it go?
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I'm pretty excited to see what difference the coating made in the engine's performance. I imagine Sandblaster is worn out from trying to get the bike done in time. Either that or he's trying to build suspense. :-D
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Ladies and Gentlemen.....
Just got back home at about 8 this morning... LONG DRIVE..... We will have a lot of info to share so please be patient... I'm beat :-o
If you want the quick n dirty...
First race we had a axle block give way allowing the axle to move and popped the chain... DNF
Second race a cotter pin came out of the foot peg on the second lap.
That allowed the foot peg pin to work it's way up and prevent the rear brake lever from being actuated.
So Sean toughed it out with no rear brake and finished 22nd.
Barring two really stupid issues Sean said it was the best bike he ever rode.
The engine has a ton of controllable torque, yet still had enough HP to Groost Jeff Emig... More on that later :-D
The suspension was excellent, the brakes were amazing, and the bike looked awesome.
All of us at KX Guru Racing worked really hard to pull this off with little money, time, and resources.
All our people that were involved deserve a big pat on the back... I'd rather cut them all a huge check for their efforts but that's not gonna happen :lol: so... THANKS GUYS!!!
More later...
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Sweet!!
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I'm pretty excited to see what difference the coating made in the engine's performance. I imagine Sandblaster is worn out from trying to get the bike done in time. Either that or he's trying to build suspense. :-D
I think the whole team will be recovering for some time... I know I will be...
The WPC treatment is a micro shot peen process that puts microscopic sized dimples on the surface of the parts.
I only rode the bike for a few minutes... I didn't want to be the one who wrecked Sean's new bike... lol
However, what I could tell is for a new engine it shifted amazingly smooth...
I'm getting ready to start my next personal K5 engine build and it will be WPC treated.
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Teaser pic..
(http://i1249.photobucket.com/albums/hh520/KXGURU/Sean%20Collier%20Day%20in%20the%20dirt%20Glen%20Helen%20Nov%202016/At%20the%20track/20161126_090111_zpsrnuvbwze.jpg)
As pictured left to right...
Alex, Sean, Jason, Me (Mike), Oscar
Bottom of pic... Groot...
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Looks like you guys are having fun. I know it didn't end like you hoped, but it sounds like it was a really cool experience.
You and Oscar look like you're trying to stay hide in the shadows. :-D
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Looks like you guys are having fun. I know it didn't end like you hoped, but it sounds like it was a really cool experience.
You and Oscar look like you're trying to stay hide in the shadows. :-D
Going into something like this you have to be realistic.
Once we all sit down and record our experiences you will all better understand why we are thankful for what all took place.
Of course, you want to win... but sometimes you have to settle for survival 8-)
Oscar and I were hiding because we are the ugliest.
Oscar taking Brute's old Supermoto for a spin before we started robbing parts from it.. :-o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLEaAKiCzPs&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLEaAKiCzPs&feature=youtu.be)
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KX Guru Racing's Jason Tanner christening Sean Colliers KX500
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=603b2dSrxDU&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=603b2dSrxDU&feature=youtu.be)
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Glad you are getting some use out of it! Discovered the old green handlebars under a pile of stuff if you want them...
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Glad you are getting some use out of it! Discovered the old green handlebars under a pile of stuff if you want them...
Are you kidding, that bike is awesome.
I would have rode it more this summer if I hadn't been trying to get caught up from the move.
Jason rode it more then me.
I can assure you that we have big plans for that bike so it won't go to waste :lol:
Going to get it on a dyno... Then the mods will begin with dyno results.
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Hey guys , check out this video. Pause it at 2:12. Looking good !
https://youtu.be/vzMZvOHd-sQ (https://youtu.be/vzMZvOHd-sQ)
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Good catch 8-)
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I finally got back to updating the last build for Sean...
http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=1170&start=90 (http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=1170&start=90)
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Are there more pics coming? It looked great from what I saw so far. It's really cool to see you guys grow into a racing team. We can say we knew you before you were famous. :-D
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Looks great!
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I added a few more pages to the build..
http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=1170 (http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=1170)
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Added some more info and pics..
http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=1170&start=130 (http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=1170&start=130)
Been pretty sparse around here that last few weeks... Where is everybody? Facebook???
https://www.facebook.com/groups/97120775255/?ref=bookmarks (https://www.facebook.com/groups/97120775255/?ref=bookmarks)
Facebook is cool but, documented info is quickly archived and hard to find after a few weeks.. Just sayin.. :-D
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(https://memecrunch.com/meme/416B1/i-m-still-here/image.png?w=400&c=1)
By the way, the bike turned out so clean and professional looking. Once you guys get some experience with the bike and rider, you will be a force to be reckoned with.
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If Sean can get out and put a practise session or two on it before his next race, that should ferret out any remaining gremlins and I can assure you that he will kick some serious booty on it 8-)
I don't know if you listened to the published vid or not but that engine is sweet...
Way more bottom and mid range then a stock KX500.
And excellent throttle response...
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Decent break-in, now it's waiting for the looong twist & shout ...
congrats to the team sandblaster :evil:
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Decent break-in, now it's waiting for the looong twist & shout ...
congrats to the team sandblaster :evil:
Thanks!
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More updates here:
http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=1170&start=140 (http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=1170&start=140)
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How did the back brake work? Any more heating issues?
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Lol... Not so far but wait till this summer and a few long rides... Then we will know for sure.
I've already started on Rev 3 :-)
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Oscar is making good progress on Groot..
(http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4960)
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On it's way to Motocross Action Magazine's studio for a photo shoot :-o
(http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4967)
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You guy's have probably named each nut and bolt by now as many times that you have pulled that thing completely down! :lol:
Looks good!
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lol... Yeah.. Oscar has done each bike at least twice in the last few months...
Good job Oscar..
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Man she looks bitchin!!! Awesome job to everyone who had a hand in her. Who made the graphics?
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Motocross Action test day!
(http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4970)
http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=1170&start=170 (http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=1170&start=170)
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d**n this is awesome. I wish I had a cool job like you guys. I hate boxes haha.
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I sell used bike parts for a living. It has it's ups and downs.
I helped out with this build because I love the K5 and want to Sean kick some butt on it :mrgreen:
I'll let the other team members comment on what they do...
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(http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4976)
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(http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4978)
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(http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4977)
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(http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4978)
that's a sweet f'n action shot right there!!
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(http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4977)
You wreck it, you buy it Ecklund. :-D
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Now that's MX Action :-o
Just gotta love the uncontrolled POWER :evil:
Fry it - Buy it
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(http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4976)
I like this one! Churning up the ground! Hate the one of it on its side though,,, even though I know it is going to happen at some point.
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Listen to the motor... Watch the performance :-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yItzv03AKW4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yItzv03AKW4)
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That's just cruel, teasing us with only six seconds of that awesome sound. :-D