thanks danger. what makes you say that kaw rider? doldguy, i was riding the bike when it gave up there was no water and the rads were full when i stripped it. i did notice the big end bearing is shot to so that may have given up and then bent the con rod. it doesn't matter i plan on doing a complete rebuild anyway. i.e cylinder replate, piston, all bearings and seals, con rod and any thing else that is not to standard, thanks for your input guys