Yep, I've been looking at the high dollar riding shorts. Same deal. My thinking is there are different grippers. The one I have on the k5 has way too much grip. My 250's older and it has maybe half as much. Its nice to have when it wet and muddy. Thats the only time. Maybe the answer is somewhere between the slick stock and full-grip 16 grit crack ripper. By the way, is that the Monkeybutt deal? crack powder?