How to whip it?

[Plowboy]

 I do not want to try freestyle motocross or anything, but I do want to be able to "whip" the bike. I know this is something I could probably figure out on my own given enough saddle time, but I would rather sound dumb and ask than look dumb with a handlebar up some sensitive orfice in the ER waiting room

 Is the movement all based upon movements once in the air, or is the whip based upon leverage before you leave the ground?

 Am I even close?

[Hillclimb#42]

I'm gonna keep an eye on this one myself. I have bit it a few times getting crossed up on bigger airs than I'm used to. I also would like to add to the question... Does a real firm steering stabilizer help turn the bike ? I think the Big Air Pro's are panning it out as they go off, but it seems like the same technique to save it, when you whip out on accident too.

[BDI]

I also would like to add to the question... Does a real firm steering stabilizer help turn the bike ? 

  Let me save you some pain If you try to whip the bike with your stearing damper turned up high you can't bring the bike back and you land sideways. I know It's hard to beleive everything you hear about stuff like this but you can trust me on this one. If anyone thinks I'm wrong go try It and don't forget to video tape it so we can all watch. Also I don't think a 500 is a very good bike to whip do to the gyro effect from the big crank But I have seen some pro guys do It.

[FuriouSly]

Sly

[Plowboy]

 I had originally considered the Devo method, but I'm going to try to get the basics down before I attempt to "Whip It Good".

[Plowboy]

 I figured it out in the saddle. Not complicated at all.

[Hillclimb#42]

I figured out the deal for the most part hitting a jump that was a turn also. It throws you into a whip naturally. I was wondering about the control of it, especially on an accidental whip. Sometimes when you intend to go off straight, you hit a bump or the front comes out of the rut just right and throws you sideways. I always turn the bars into the landing but I always seem to be stuck there without bringing it back around all the way. I was thinking a body shift or a clutch and brake tap might bring the bike back around, but apparently its not that deep......

[Kawasakinut]

so plow whats the secret . i wanna bust fat whips also!!

[Plowboy]

 Now what little time I had that last day was very little, so a big, pretty whip I certainly did not master. What I did figure out is that is was part body english and part handlebar pressure/turning....all seemingly employed once airborne and in a fluid sequence.

 All I managed to accomplish was the rear tire drifting to the left while the right side dipped a little, and then quickly and smoothly bringing it back inline just before landing. That definitely doesn't mean that I'm doing anything impressive, but I felt better getting the combination of movements to produce results. Now, I'll work up to bigger and prettier things.......hopefully.

 To be honest, it's probably a combination of several things that I didn't even realize I was doing such as weighting the bars and the pegs on one side or another as I was turning the front wheel.

 

[Jeeks]

I'm going to guess what whip it is, cause I havent motocross since the 80's. If you had to slow down for a jump so you didn't over do the landing. there was good chance you were losing time on that jump. there is a way of sucking up the jump so you could hit the jump at a much higher speed and create less arc in the jump or a lower hieght jump, you had to suck the bike up at the top of the jump, crossing the bike up was just a natural way of sucking up the top of the jump to create a faster lower arc. Is that what your doing?

What's with all the "sucking" and "jumping"? 

[Hillclimb#42]

Js is pointing out that its a technique used not to over jump your mark in a moto or supercross race. You see the pros whip it in an effort to stay low and to help hit the landing in the sweet spot without letting off the gas. If they were to stand upright and launch not only would they overshoot their landing, they would get passed from having too much hang time.
 The question is how is the control done on a whip? I am adding to the question by thinking the same technique should help straighten the bike in an accidental cross up. Its an awesome looking trick, but also an interesting display of control. When the k5 comes around, it wants to keep going.
 At first I thought I was not jumping high enough. And I have got crossed up and brought it back with a bar turn and some body english on a small whip. I have also launched 20' in the air and got the bike crossed up and didn't get it back around, so its not just turn the bars and put your hips into it.
 Its gotta be set-up off the jump,getting the weight to the inside, weighting the pegs, clutch and brake, gas, or something like all of the above. I thought I was in the minority of people jumping without total control, No wonder we are all ate-up....

[Kawasakinut]

my thoughts of a whip are not in the racing sense. ever seen a james bubba stewart whip where you get as much air as possible take off the jump and put the bike completely sideways and then bring it back and land. i'm talkin about putting the rear wheel where where the front wheel would normally be and then straightening back for the landing!   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ozl3co80Ci4

[Hillclimb#42]

The extreme whips that the pros make look super easy, is alot of set up as they go off the jump. They almost hit the bars on the ground as they go off. My problem with what you're planning is that you want to start too big. I think a guy ought to get control on a small scale and keep getting more crossed up as he learns to straighten it up. I would hate to hit a double, have the back wheel in front of me and then it stay there or even worse go on around to a 180.
 Its ER time if you land sideways already, it really puts a hamper on the fun when you're in a body cast. Remember the pros that you are comparing youself to, jump 70' triples and do back flips with ease also. It looks easy, but sports are evolved to the point that it looks easy until you try to do it and win at it. I would be happy doing it with control, feeling safe and still riding within my means. A good wreck will really ruin my confidence and probably cause it to be even more dangerous by adding some hesitation to the timing or something.
 For now, I guess my jump thats a turn in the landing will have to be my stepping stone, but that doesn't get me straightened back out really. Noone can even guess about this topic or what?

[Plowboy]

 There seems to be a little confusion on what the term whip means, so let me clarify that I was not referring to "scrubbing" speed of the face of a jump.....which IS set up on the face of the jump.

 I'm not talking about putting the rear wheel where the front wheel was/is/should be......as I originally said, I don't care anything about freestyle or a trip to the ER whith a handlebar in an uncomfortable orfice.

 What I have figured out how to do is what I wanted to do, and I am still very much in control,.......but I don't recommend anyone uncomfortable with the idea try it at home.

[Kawasakinut]

scrubbing whip= lower launch, less air time and more speed. phat whip bubba or freestyle=  huge praise from a freestyle crowd. now a scrubbing whip can be used also to position the bike upon landing i.e. landing where you want to land. sorry no confusion here . i've
never tried either one but i would like to sometime soon. come on people imput needed. so i 'm gonna go practice now " if you don't hear from me i leave you my kx."  sike.