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Offline b4himdude

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Re: ATF as Gear Lube
« Reply #165 on: August 28, 2016, 10:17:09 PM »
ive been experiencing hard shift lately when going from 3rd to 4th. so i tried changing the clutch shift pin  the plates the external shift mechanism the gear drum shift drum transmission forks pins and not once did i think it was the transmission lubricant that i was using could cause hard shifting.but now that ive read this thread it all seems to point at the lubricant being the culprit. it takes a minute for the 10/40 synthetic lucas high performance  motorcycle oil to thin out and of i were to putt putt around for a good ten minutes i bet i wouldnt experience that hard shift. but i cant friggen stand not being able to shoot through a 1 down 4 up pattern with my left foot as fast as i can when distance allows for it. im putting atf in the case as soon as i get off work today. i think ill center the oil pan and pull the plug before i go . i hope im done with the hard shift crap , . because quite frankly i think im out of things to replace other than the lubricant...
hell ,i,m so broke . if it cost a nickle to take a s**t, id have to puke.....

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Re: ATF as Gear Lube
« Reply #166 on: August 29, 2016, 02:04:25 AM »
Well... there is some huge battles raging about oils so let me step in and stir this turd pot and see where it leads..
Before I switched to Amsoil I use to run ATF once a year or so to clean out the gear box.
It did help with shifting.
Since switching to Amsoil 3 years ago I have not had to do it once.
While running ATF is inexpensive and will help clean your trans out I don't feel as though it provides enough of the correct lubrication you need for longevity.
If it were me, I would run the ATF for one ride then switch to a different gear oil.
Amsoil Motorcycle 10/40 synthetic seems to work pretty good.
Recently I saw a engine that has been running Royal Purple Synthetic and it was one of the cleanest engines I have ever taken apart so I may switch to it with my next oil change.
And of course there are a million others.
So let the raging begin  :-D  8-)
The four stroke engine: That's one stroke for producing power and three for wearing the engine out.

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Re: ATF as Gear Lube
« Reply #167 on: August 29, 2016, 06:24:32 AM »
yup...I've been running Amsoil the past 2 years...very happy with it...but I change my oil more than most too.
I used to spend stupid money on GearSaver....though I never had an issue with it, I'll never use it again, unless it's an emergency of course.
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Re: ATF as Gear Lube
« Reply #168 on: August 29, 2016, 02:48:10 PM »
Well s.b if that's the turd you're stirrin' then poop is good food. I'll have to run the ATF a couple more times just to douche that m'er f'er out real good. All I can say is that it had to be the synthetic mixed with residual conventional eventually gumming up the works in there. I think the atf needs to spend a few hours in there yet. It was one hell of an improvement. I didn't have to be the guy out there cussing at his dust cloud heading home out of ideas what to tear apart today. The only thing I can share with you guys here is a list of what not to use , do , or try in relation to the bike I fell in love with the first time I ride it. Who distributes amsoil? Dies Napa carry it? Where the bleep to I find the stuff you're using? Oh Nevermind ....EBAY! Now what is the product exactly called, weight ?viscosity?synthetic ? high performance ? The please and the thank you....
hell ,i,m so broke . if it cost a nickle to take a s**t, id have to puke.....

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Re: ATF as Gear Lube
« Reply #169 on: August 29, 2016, 04:05:09 PM »


I get mine at Coastal Farms  :lol:
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Re: ATF as Gear Lube
« Reply #170 on: August 30, 2016, 12:57:02 AM »
I use the Amsoil Dirtbike 10w-60
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Re: ATF as Gear Lube
« Reply #171 on: August 30, 2016, 02:01:54 AM »
Thank you that's what I needed perfect . And about that lighting system AL25. I know it's quite pricey but if I were to take that hit in the pocketbook then I'd be riding my k5 at night? No problem?
hell ,i,m so broke . if it cost a nickle to take a s**t, id have to puke.....

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Re: ATF as Gear Lube
« Reply #172 on: February 13, 2017, 01:14:09 AM »
Well... there is some huge battles raging about oils so let me step in and stir this turd pot and see where it leads..
Before I switched to Amsoil I use to run ATF once a year or so to clean out the gear box.
It did help with shifting.
Since switching to Amsoil 3 years ago I have not had to do it once.
While running ATF is inexpensive and will help clean your trans out I don't feel as though it provides enough of the correct lubrication you need for longevity.
If it were me, I would run the ATF for one ride then switch to a different gear oil.
Amsoil Motorcycle 10/40 synthetic seems to work pretty good.
Recently I saw a engine that has been running Royal Purple Synthetic and it was one of the cleanest engines I have ever taken apart so I may switch to it with my next oil change.
And of course there are a million others.
So let the raging begin  :-D  8-)

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  75/85 GL4 {most motorcycle gear oils }  or 5/30w engine  would be my choice / any thing higher spec {eg gl5 } is not good for the yellow metals in gearbox

http://www.gtfours.co.uk/what/atf/atf.htm




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Re: ATF as Gear Lube
« Reply #173 on: February 15, 2017, 12:38:34 PM »
I ran the atf for a week or so. Then I found a local amsoil dealer who is able to get the "dirt" 10/40 motorcycle oil. Have had no trouble at all with it. Other than its expensive as hell. So it gets drained in the clean pan and gets used again. Yes it does.
hell ,i,m so broke . if it cost a nickle to take a s**t, id have to puke.....

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Re: ATF as Gear Lube
« Reply #174 on: December 16, 2018, 03:38:52 AM »
This thread runs back years and more than a few people have asked "What is it that Kawasaki recommends for the transmission?". Well, on page 11 dieselbeef has put up a link to www.bobistheoilman.com. His paper is very informative and comprehensive and here's (half) your answer. Under Hydrocracking (Predominately Group II) he writes the following: "Chevron commercialized this technology for fuels production in the late 1950’s. In 1969 the first hydrocracker for Base Oil Manufacturing was commercialized in Idemitsu Kosan Company’s Chiba Refinery using technology licensed by Gulf." Idemitsu is the oil that Kawasaki recommended; although they don't say exactly which ones and names of oils constantly change.
        Of course Idemitsu oil isn't available everywhere. If you live in the UK, New Zealand or Australia, or on the Indian Subcontinent, Castrol is often the oil of choice, in part for historical reasons. Castrol also make one of, if not the best oil available and getting hold of Castor based oil in the UK is a doddle, because historically it's been popular. (Spitfires ran on it, for instance). Similarly people in America often choose Amsoil because it's American and available. I'm sure you can buy Amsoil in the UK, but I never saw it sold locally to where I lived.
        I've taken a photo of my '87 KX500 airbox, and it still has the original sticker on it recommending Idemitsu oil. (The KX has spent its life in Mexico and where I live we have a semi-desert environment. The bike has suffered what Foxx4Beaver calls "Mexican Modifications" - I would also call it "Mexican Malpractice" - but one thing it hasn't suffered from is corrosion, it still has nearly all the original stickers on it.)
        The KX hasn't been used in years; if I were in the UK I'd choose to put Castrol oil in it, and the premix would be R40 or a more modern castor based equivalent. I see so much written by people on this subject, but very little of it is subjective. They haven't used it and just repeat what they've read or heard - a lot of it simply old wives' tales. If anyone want's to know how it performs in 2 strokes, I've used it in all mine, though not exclusively (and also mixed with other 2T oils), for well over 30 years - so just ask.
        Having read through the whole of this topic I have decided that I'm going to use an ATF oil in the transmission the first time, not just to try it out, but also help to flush out the years of neglect and whatever it had in it, after which I shall switch to a gearbox/clutch saver type oil. The premix will be Shell Advance Racing M SAE 30 - a castor/synthetic combination, followed by (for comparison), Silkolene PRO KR2 Castor/Ester Synthetic 2T. Both are castor oils I've not used before. Jonnie 

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Re: ATF as Gear Lube
« Reply #175 on: October 18, 2019, 02:25:43 AM »
You know, I use ATF but I have a question.

My clutch is extremely hard to pull.  Is there any way that I can lessen the pull tension.  I installed a new clutch kit after burning my old clutch up a few months ago, and the difference in pull tension was drastic.  It works great and everything, nothing's binding or anything, but it's just really hard to pull.  I'm not a wuss or anything, but it has adversely affected my quickness and power delivery...  I'm off to do a search...

You can get the DEP extended clutch arm OR Magura hydraulic clutch. I use both.  Its as light as 250F.

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Re: ATF as Gear Lube
« Reply #176 on: October 31, 2019, 05:45:38 AM »
Back in the eighties i used to race the KX's amateurishly. I was in my mid 20's and definitely broke. Me and my buddy bought some BelRay gear oil to use one day to get away from the 10W40 we always used, and we noticed right off, that this stuff looks like ATF. So after that first bottle we started getting the ATF and running it. We figured in a transmission was a transmission, right? We never looked back after that. Shifts were better, revs were better and clutches were better and lasted longer. Win all the way around. I still use it on the 2 smokers.