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you didn't specify for which bike?, 500, 250, 125...etc.if you can't get one through Kawie, your options are pretty limited...there used to be a company that made aftermarket alloy subs...but I'm not sure if they're still around.you can try this guy...not sure if you'll get lucky...but I've heard/read that they bend easily..500 sub...http://acracing.com/itemdetails.cfm?ID=607