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Re: Project "I needed to clean the air filter so I blew the motor"
« Reply #120 on: August 25, 2013, 05:20:00 PM »
Blaster has one, well two parts of one cylinder  :-D :-D
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Re: Project "I needed to clean the air filter so I blew the motor"
« Reply #121 on: August 25, 2013, 05:24:06 PM »
Blaster has one, well two parts of one cylinder  :-D :-D

I tried to con him out of those two pieces but he wont give them up........

I was going to hold the jug together with one of these.......

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"How can someone who looks like a high school band tuba player go so d**n fast on a bike?!"

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Re: Project "I needed to clean the air filter so I blew the motor"
« Reply #122 on: August 25, 2013, 05:48:12 PM »
I thought I found a good replacement motor for my K5 but then I realized what it was so I disposed of it accordingly........

I once heard my buddy Bill ask Danny Hamel after a race....
"How can someone who looks like a high school band tuba player go so d**n fast on a bike?!"

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Re: Project "I needed to clean the air filter so I blew the motor"
« Reply #123 on: August 27, 2013, 04:36:23 PM »
Okay. back on subject. 


lets chat piston some more.


Im thinking a top port like this, width of the rear boost.

and some skirt mods.


as I dont know if the skirts are tough enough for 3 holes.

will look into it more when there is a piston in my hand.




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Re: Project "I needed to clean the air filter so I blew the motor"
« Reply #124 on: August 28, 2013, 10:55:33 AM »
thanks to Pmcg  for sending a sactaficial piston.



also reminded me how bloody heavy those wisecos are also

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Re: Project "I needed to clean the air filter so I blew the motor"
« Reply #125 on: August 28, 2013, 11:01:32 AM »
Okay. back on subject. 


lets chat piston some more.


Im thinking a top port like this, width of the rear boost.

and some skirt mods.


as I dont know if the skirts are tough enough for 3 holes.

will look into it more when there is a piston in my hand.





Once you start carving up your new/used piston it would be nice to see where a top port like this is with relation to the transfers.  Does it extend the intake duration beyond when the transfers cover back up?

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Re: Project "I needed to clean the air filter so I blew the motor"
« Reply #126 on: August 28, 2013, 11:11:18 AM »
Okay. back on subject.  


lets chat piston some more.


Im thinking a top port like this, width of the rear boost.

and some skirt mods.


as I dont know if the skirts are tough enough for 3 holes.

will look into it more when there is a piston in my hand.





Once you start carving up your new/used piston it would be nice to see where a top port like this is with relation to the transfers.  Does it extend the intake duration beyond when the transfers cover back up?

should be easy to see with my sweet half Jug that blaster sent me.

and the reason I want to add a port like that, is I believe the benefit of the S cut (big port in center) isnt more duration,   but  picking up trapped gass'es under the piston.


a higher up port liek the one I pictured would manage this, without messing with flow propertys of the flor and boost port.


as with those.   we have same duration as a windowed piston... right...............     dont think the skirt closes off those floor ports.   Ill have to go look (memory isnt workign right now)


but Id like to add 2 more holes like the ones discussed earlyer, only smaller.


not sure if the pistons are stong enough for 3 holes...
« Last Edit: August 28, 2013, 11:14:00 AM by Motorrad »

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Re: Project "I needed to clean the air filter so I blew the motor"
« Reply #127 on: August 28, 2013, 11:13:41 AM »
Very nice, that will make this much easier to figure out.  Are you thinking the skirt is too weak to run the two ports you were playing with a few months back?

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Re: Project "I needed to clean the air filter so I blew the motor"
« Reply #128 on: August 28, 2013, 11:29:29 AM »
Very nice, that will make this much easier to figure out.  Are you thinking the skirt is too weak to run the two ports you were playing with a few months back?

im still playing with those.

But im thinking the benefit that was found in the previous window isnt due to more duration.     but to releasing ALL those spent gasses under the piston into the boost port..

as we all know the K5 shrouds itself alot in the transfers at BDC.  even with all MY skirt mods I already do.


hence the reason Im lookin at the VERY high up port.    perhapse combine with the BOTTOM of skirt trimming (like the YZ250 pistons) I put up before may be the strongest and best way to go.





the bottom skrit cut will deff help those of us that have the jug jacked up to the moon like me.

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Re: Project "I needed to clean the air filter so I blew the motor"
« Reply #129 on: August 30, 2013, 01:06:23 AM »
kinda where im thinking of going.


not sure if pistons are strong enough.

(Hmm  custom batch of piston time?? )

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Re: Project "I needed to clean the air filter so I blew the motor"
« Reply #130 on: August 30, 2013, 04:30:45 AM »
It's only your money  :-)
The four stroke engine: That's one stroke for producing power and three for wearing the engine out.

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Re: Project "I needed to clean the air filter so I blew the motor"
« Reply #131 on: August 30, 2013, 10:53:40 AM »
Hmmm.


thick wall skirt, 3 hole windows, exh cooling hole's , modded skirt at transfers, long skirt, long rod, 88mm (stroke).  90mm piston  please.
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Re: Project "I needed to clean the air filter so I blew the motor"
« Reply #132 on: August 30, 2013, 04:00:26 PM »
Hmmmm.
I understand all that and the reasons which is shocking.....
But I'm really curious as to why not make the long rod 88.5 mm?
The four stroke engine: That's one stroke for producing power and three for wearing the engine out.

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Re: Project "I needed to clean the air filter so I blew the motor"
« Reply #133 on: August 30, 2013, 04:01:27 PM »
Hmmmm.
I understand all that and the reasons which is shocking.....
But I'm really curious as to why not make the long rod 88.5 mm?
Are you trying to maintain a square bore vs stroke?


I edited my post, because I figured I wasnt being clear.

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Re: Project "I needed to clean the air filter so I blew the motor"
« Reply #134 on: August 30, 2013, 04:52:48 PM »
All this sounds good, some of it is over my head, but I will gladly take the word of those who are intellectually superior to me involving matters of the K5 powerplant.......... :-D

I want everyone to take the time to thank me for blowing my motor so that all this R&D can take place to benefit all those who seek knowledge on the KXRiders site.........

I willingly took one for the team, kinda like jumping on a hand grenade for all of you.  You can send your "thank you" donations to my paypal account.

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I once heard my buddy Bill ask Danny Hamel after a race....
"How can someone who looks like a high school band tuba player go so d**n fast on a bike?!"